Just for the heck of it...

[hatman]

Ask me anything, and you will get an answer. Ask about me, ask about something you think I might know, ask... anything. Seriously or otherwise. Whatever you want. You will get an answer. In most cases, that answer will have something to do with the question. In some cases, it may even make sense! (I'll do my best, anyway. Depending on the question.)

You can ask me directly, or, if you've got a quarter handy, you can ask my buddy...

Comments

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[stellar-dust.insanejournal.com (from livejournal.com)]

Ok, let's see what happens!

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[stellar-dust.livejournal.com]

Test for comment email notification!

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[stellar-spectra.livejournal.com]

This should test if it's an OID thing or an email address thing.

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[pgwfolc.livejournal.com]

As advised, I deleted the problem comment. Seems to have fixed things. :)

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[stellar-dust.livejournal.com]

Cool. Did their reply to you include the reason for failure? An unparseable character in a link? hmmm.

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[beansideirae.livejournal.com]

hi..i dont know you, but if you dont mind my asking, how did you get insanejournal to post on livejournal?

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[stellar-dust.livejournal.com]

Well, I was all set to sing the praises of OpenID, but every time I try to reply here with helpful links as my openID account, it fails!

Anyway, there's an OpenID tutorial here (http://mercurychaos.insanejournal.com/311701.html?format=light) and the LJ FAQ is also helpful (http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=283&q=openid). Bascially, if you have an IJ, sign into it, then come back to LJ to comment, chose "more posting options," click the OpenID option, and enter yourname.insanejournal.com.

Although it appears any sort of link in an OpenID comment will cause issues ....

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[pgwfolc.livejournal.com]

Do we know exactly what link character caused the problem? Is it any link from an OID post, or was there an issue with the specific link you posted? Or maybe a typo in the posted link itself?

Hmm, going back to the comment notification email, the LJ FAQ link you posted looks a little funny. The end (after the /support/) looks like this:

faqbrowse.bml?faqid=283&q=openid%C3%A2%C5%92%C2%A9=

And when I hover the mouse over the link, it looks even weirder in the statusbar. It's an a with a ^ over it, some kind of weird thing that looks like a CE merged into a single character, and then a copyright symbol and finally and =.

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[stellar-dust.insanejournal.com (from livejournal.com)]

They didn't tell me which character it was, but I left a comment on the support request asking about it. Maybe they'll get back to me.

Weird. It resolves just fine in firefox when I append that to the url, though.

However, what they told me to do was repost the whole thing with parens instead of html (basically, exactly the same as the second paragraph in my above comment). I tried that as the OpenID; it sent me to the captcha page and then gave a posting error. I didn't try again for fear of re-breaking your post!

That *should* have worked, though, according to the support person, so .. there's still something odd with OpenID and links.

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[(Anonymous)]

First OID link (http://mercurychaos.insanejournal.com/311701.html?format=light)

Second OID link (http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=283&q=openid)

Another test...

[http://openid.aol.com/pgwfolc (from livejournal.com)]

Anyway, there's an OpenID tutorial here (http://mercurychaos.insanejournal.com/311701.html?format=light) and the LJ FAQ is also helpful (http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=283&q=openid). Bascially, if you have an IJ, sign into it, then come back to LJ to comment, chose "more posting options," click the OpenID option, and enter yourname.insanejournal.com.

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[http://openid.aol.com/pgwfolc (from livejournal.com)]

Anyway, there's an OpenID tutorial here URL 1 (http://mercurychaos.insanejournal.com/311701.html?format=light) and the LJ FAQ is also helpful URL 2 (http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=283&q=openid). Bascially, if you have an IJ, sign into it, then come back to LJ to comment, chose "more posting options," click the OpenID option, and enter yourname.insanejournal.com.

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[pgwfolc.livejournal.com]

The other link you posted, BTW - the IJ tutorial - came out just fine in the same post.

Has this happened anywhere else? Maybe it was a one-time posting glitch?

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[stellar-dust.livejournal.com]

Well, I just tried twice to reply as stellar-dust.insanejournal.com, once with this link (http://www.google.com), and then just http://www.google.com.

Both times it goes to an error preview page with a captcha filter, then after I prove I'm human it sends me to the "Error
Invalid form submission. Please refresh and try again." page.

K then.

I wonder if it does the same to pure anonymous comments?

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[(Anonymous)]

http://www.google.com

testing anonymous?

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[(Anonymous)]

testing html anonymous links (http://www.google.com)

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[stellar-dust.myopenid.com (from livejournal.com)]

oooooh-kay then.

I wonder if it could be an issue on IJ's end?

*test*

*fails*

Nope, not a problem with IJ.

(sorry to spam your post.)

(How does OpenID work? can by my question for your meme. *g*)

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[pgwfolc.livejournal.com]

Curiouser and curiouser.

(The funny thing is that OID was created by LJ...)

No need to apologize for spamming. I'm interested and would like to pin this down, too.

And... the way it processed that anonymous link is interesting. I wonder if there's a new LJ OID link protocol which is screwing things up. I also wonder why it would have done it to one link but not the other.

As for how it works... That's far out of my specialty. I'm tempted to let Swami Ghumbali field this one.

*goes off to do research*

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[pgwfolc.livejournal.com]

Okay, done some looking, and no one really seems to want to answer the question of just how it works. Or, if they do, that answer got lost in a sea of technobabble which, frankly, is over my head. There are mentions of different protocals and such, newer versions...

But there's also an article which says this:

* Anybody can use their own technical innovations within the OpenID framework, even if they replicate, or compete, with the OpenID specifications themselves.

This latter points is worth repeating: if tomorrow, for example, you decide you don't like the Diffie-Hellman cryptographic key exchange at the root of OpenID authentication, you can develop your own way of authenticating, and deploy it within the OpenID framework. If you have an idea for a new identity-related service that nobody else ever thought of, you can deploy it into the OpenID framework as soon as your code is ready. This radical decentralization on all levels of the stack, both technically and organizationally, is a very strong catalyst for attracting innovators and their innovations. This makes OpenID a superior choice for identity-related innovation.

Which, if I'm reading it, means that it works the way the OID provider in question chooses to make it work.

I think, basically... You have a server which acts as an "identity provider." The URL of that provider is included in the sign-on. The site where you're trying to use OID contacts the provider using the protocol of choice, and the provider verifies that you are logged in with that ID for the current browser session.

The specifics, like I said, seem to vary... and are also more technical than I can really keep up with.

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[http://openid.aol.com/pgwfolc (from livejournal.com)]

Hmm. I was all set to blame LJ's handling of OID-posted URLs, but then I just reposted the same links using OID (I figured I could delete the comments through my LJ inbox if need be). I tried them both as simple pasted URLs and hyperlinked URLs. It all worked fine. You can see the comments above, and the entry still loads.

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[http://openid.aol.com/pgwfolc (from livejournal.com)]

PS Sorry to spam you now, but... I've gotten comment reply notification emails for all of these, even though I use the same address for AIM and this LJ. And the ones above were posted as replies to myself.

Meantime, I tried to use Yahoo as my OID, and it wouldn't let me. Yahoo says that LJ's OID version is too old, and not backwards-compatible with Yahoo's v 2.0.

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[pgwfolc.livejournal.com]

Oh, wait. NM. My LJ email is at netscape.net, but AOL's OID is probably using at aim.com. The two addresses are functionally the same, but LJ has no way to know that.

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[stellar-dust.livejournal.com]

(Today, here, was the first time I'd posted a link with my OID.)

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[beansideirae.livejournal.com]

ok, for a while there, every time i tried to respond to your reply, i couldnt even get back to this page. weird.

anyway i followed your instructions, thanks. it worked ok. but it doesnt seem to have any useful value, since i'm essentially logging in under a new half-livejournal account, rather than my insanejournal. it gives a link to it, but i cant see anything on livejournal from my insanejournal, and vice versa. oh well, it was a thought.

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[stellar-dust.insanejournal.com (from livejournal.com)]

My attempts to answer you broke the page for awhile, actually - pgwfolc and I have been going back and forth above trying to figure it out. :D

It's useful if you want people who see your comments and might click your username to be taken to your IJ instead of your LJ, I guess.