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([personal profile] hatman Mar. 8th, 2009 10:46 pm)
Hypothetical situation:

There's a spiffy new electric shaver on the market. You get one for the household, and you're set. Men use it to shave their faces, which requires that the shaving heads be in the concave position. Women use it to shave their legs, which requires that the heads be in the convex position. However, they also, every once in a while, use it to shave their underarms, which requires the heads to be in the concave position. A quick glance tells you what position it's in, and the flick of a switch easily changes it from one to the other.

A woman shaves her legs and puts the shaver away. She uses it both ways, and there's no telling who will want it next. She leaves the heads as they are.

Later, a man comes to use it and finds it in the "wrong" position. "Hey!" he shouts. "You left the shaver convex! Again! Why can't you ever put it back the right way?"

How does the woman respond?

A: "I'm sorry. I know you like it convex. I'll try to remember next time."

B: "So? Are you a baby? Flick the switch. It's not that hard. Takes half a second. How lazy can you be?"

Think about it for a sec.

And then tell me...

What the heck is the big deal about the toilet seat?

From: [identity profile] schnuffichen.livejournal.com


Seriously? If I was the woman (how wrong does that sound?), I would try to remember to switch it back to convex... then again, of course I can say that now... now that I know what you're referring to... ;)
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From: [identity profile] pgwfolc.livejournal.com


Even though there's no telling who will want it next, and in what position? Even though changing it to the correct position takes less work than microwaving a frozen dinner? Even though she's perfectly accustomed to switching it back and forth for herself, as needed?

I don't understand.

From: [identity profile] schnuffichen.livejournal.com


Well, the likelihood of someone needing it in the convex position next is higher... and I guess it's partly a "well, because!" thing...
Men don't have to do it standing, they could sit down. So, I guess, I would just think "You know what, I 'allow' you to stand, so you could easily make that little effort and put down the toilet seat."
And, at least when I think about the one we share in our apartment, there are disgusting stains that I just don't wanna see all the time. Of course, that might be just a students' thing... ;)

From: [identity profile] brianamj.livejournal.com


You wander blearily into the bathroom at 3am, gunk in your eyes, and go to settle yourself on the toilet. Suddenly, you find your butt going a bit futher down than you expected, and now your eyes are wide open, you're scrambling for a towel after extracting your rear from the porcelain bowl, and you're screaming bloody murder. NOW will you put the seat down?

This is why both the seat and the lid goes down in my house.
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From: [identity profile] pgwfolc.livejournal.com


But, see... you're male. You wander blearily into the bathroom at 3am.

If you don't take a sec to make sure of the position of the seat, especially when it's dark and you're half a sleep, you'll end up leaving drops on it, which is just squicky for everyone. (Happens all the time in public restrooms.) In which case, you have legitimate reason to get annoyed if he doesn't put it up.

Why is it any harder for you to take a sec and make sure of the position of the seat in order to prevent injury?
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From: [identity profile] pgwfolc.livejournal.com


Er, that should be "Let's say you're male." Wasn't saying that you actually are. ;)

From: [identity profile] brianamj.livejournal.com


*points to the bleary eyed in the middle of the night* During the day, it's no big deal, and I don't care. But at night, all bets are off.

Lid down works, because then *everyone* has to lift it. And it keeps animals (and little kids, as roomie pointed out) out of the bowl.

From: [identity profile] un-sedentary.livejournal.com


I tend to put both the seat and lid down before flushing because someone told me once that when you flush, tiny particles spray everywhere... So, just to be on the safe side.

I think the main reason women insist that the man puts the lid back down is that no one wants to touch the toilet seat, haha. I never really thought about it, but I only share my bathroom with my little brother and I think he's taken to closing the lid following my example.
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From: [identity profile] pgwfolc.livejournal.com


Right. No one wants to touch it. So why should the man be the one to always have to?

But yeah, the particles into the air thing is rather squicky. I don't think it's very many, and bathrooms are prone to icky growths anyway (they're dark and damp, contain stagnant water, and are gathering places for dirt - such as whatever you touch before you finish washing your hands), but there is something to be said for not adding to that. It's the one argument I've heard that actually holds some water. So to speak.

From: [identity profile] un-sedentary.livejournal.com


You're right, the man shouldn't always have to. I don't really see this as a big deal either - I wouldn't get riled up if the toilet seat was up since it takes a second to put it down and I'm going to wash my hands anyway.

From: [identity profile] schnuffichen.livejournal.com


Right. No one wants to touch it. So why should the man be the one to always have to?

Because he's the only one needing it up? Why should I touch it when I'm not the reason for all of this?
If you don't want to touch the toilet seat (which is quite understandable), leave it down and sit down ;)
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From: [identity profile] pgwfolc.livejournal.com


But... that's unnatural. And icky. And stuff. Guys don't do that. Really, would you sit on a toilet seat if you didn't have to? (Especially if not doing so meant that you didn't have to get halfway undressed, too...)

Really, flipping the seat is not a big deal. I'll do it when I need to. But you're a big girl. Why can't you do it, too? Without complaining.
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From: [identity profile] stellar-dust.livejournal.com


1. Because it looks much nicer with the seat down. The underside of toilet seats are pretty universally icky.

2. Because chivalry ain't dead yet, dammit!
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From: [identity profile] stellar-dust.livejournal.com


Also, wiping a few specks of liquid off the seat is much less annoying (trust me) than getting a buttfull of freezing cold porcelain at 3 AM. Plus that extra inch of unexpected empty space can be actually *dangerous*, if you've begun to shift weight off your feet.

Anyway, men only use the seat up half the time, so positing one man and one woman to a toilet, the seat will be down for 75% of uses. It's more efficient to leave it down.

And it takes more energy to move the toilet seat than it does to flick a switch on a razor - you have to bend over. Not to mention that in your scenario, you don't actually have to touch the blade to change the concavity of the razor. When they invent toilet seats that move up and down via a conveniently placed wall switch, your analogy will make more sense.

;D

From: [identity profile] ksarasara.livejournal.com


Hee. *g* Sorry, I have to giggle and agree with this one. ;)
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