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([personal profile] hatman Jun. 14th, 2010 08:57 am)
I had an odd thought this morning. I'm not the first to have it by any means, and, truth to tell, it's not the first time I've had it. But it just seems so... surreal, and it felt like it needed to be said (one more time) out loud (figuratively):

There is a place where food, shelter, clothing, health care, educational materials, and more are provided to all, regardless of what they've done in the past or how they're conducting themselves in the present, because, all else aside, it is considered to be the responsibility of the government to fulfill those basic human needs for all in its care. It's here, in the U.S. We call it "prison."

Just think about that for a second. That one fact, free of other context. Think about it.

And then think about all the law-abiding citizens who, for one reason or another, have slipped through the cracks.
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From: [personal profile] dame_grise


I've thought of that before, too, and it makes me angry. Especially when I see the hatred piled on the heads of people looking for work who just want something to feed their children. In America, convicted criminals have cable TV, 3 meals a day, and a bed, but children go hungry.

From: [identity profile] schnuffichen.livejournal.com


Yeah, there is something wrong with that picture. I do have to say that I consider it to be an American problem, based on at least two grounds.

Firstly, I live in a welfare state. And while I do think that this is the basis for the laziness we have in Germany, it provides every "law-abiding citizen" willing to make use of it with everything they need to live comfortably.

Secondly, at least in my country a criminal record keeps you from about any sort of (well-)paid job. Forever. You wouldn't believe how many police clearances I needed to provide to employers and schools... at the age of 23.

So, I guess... being a prisoner in my country sucks. Being a prisoner in the US isn't half-bad.
And then people wonder about crime rates...
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From: [identity profile] pgwfolc.livejournal.com


There's more to it than that. Our prison system is hideously overcrowded, and in need of other reforms.

As for Germany - this is the first I've heard of Germans being lazy. Also, I've been given to understand that the German economy, overall, is relatively strong. Interesting to have another perspective, especially from someone who lives there.

The thing is that our prison system is based (ideally, at least) on the theory of reform. It's not just punishment, but an attempt to correct bad behavior and provide an opportunity to become a better citizen. In practical terms, the system falls far short of that (well told in the Morgan Freeman movie The Shawshank Redemption), and being an ex-con does come with a heavy stigma. But, ideally, someone released from prison should be able to make a newer, better, productive life. So the German system you describe just seems really strange to me.

In any case... yes, people have been known to commit petty crimes just for the purpose of being put in prison, where they know they'll have a higher standard of living. And there is something really screwed up about that.

From: [identity profile] annabtg.livejournal.com


I've seen the Beagle Boys say that in comic books. "At least when we were in prison we had free food and accommodation!"

Apart from that, though... yes, I agree, it's pretty messed up when you think about it.

I can see what Jana is saying, that said. Ideally, there should be a welfare system that could cover anyone who needed it efficiently, and not be tricked by lazy people.

Would elaborate more but I'm too tired to think atm and I need to return to my Pharmacognosy book. ♥
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From: [identity profile] pgwfolc.livejournal.com


lol, quoting Duck Tails. Nice. :D

But yeah... a system that sees to a minimal standard of living. A safety net. One that isn't too comfortable, but that takes care of basic needs and dignity. With some safeguards against abuse.

Of course, it'd be expensive. But not as expensive as, say, two wars.

Nice to "see" you, in any case. That textbook is a thing to be envied. ;)

From: [identity profile] ksarasara.livejournal.com


Yeah, I think this needs to be repeated frequently. I don't have anything to add right now, but this is an issue that always did bug me (albeit, it's not always on my radar).

From: [identity profile] theblackshadow.livejournal.com


I wouldn't put it past my mother to commit a felony just to have someone else make her coffee in the morning.
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From: [identity profile] pgwfolc.livejournal.com


lol! What a lovely sentiment from a devoted daughter.

From: [identity profile] theblackshadow.livejournal.com


lol I'm afraid the phrase "3 hot and a cot" has come out of her mouth more than once...
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